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CI – Although I understand this board is unrelated to the Fred Rubble, would it still replace that range in my quiver as a daily driver for all types of waves or is the DFR closer to a pure HPSB like the Proton/Rookie, something better for pockety waves? Does this board accommodate a front-foot type surfer as well as the FR?
The DFR sits between the Rookie / Proton and Rubble.
It has more volume than Rookie/Proton and the same volume as a Rubble at the same size. However the volume is taken from the nose and tail widths on the DFR and built more into the foil/rails to make for a board that still paddles well but behaves more like a hpsb with a narrower outline in the nose and tail.
It most definitely accomodates a front foot (turning with weight feeling like 50/50)
thanks – CI
What are the general characteristics of this board? How drivey is it? I currently ride a dumpster diver and I’m just curious how the two would ride differently.
Thanks CI for the feedback. Have any DFR’s been built in Round-tails or Roundpins?
Connor Coffin rides round tail DFRs, he digs em as an all-around board
I have a 6’2 semi pro 12. If I got a 6’1 DFR (both have 29.6vol), when would I grab each board? Where’s the overlap? Which excels in what conditions? Thanks
THe SP12 has a more foiled plan-shape while the DFR would be slightly fuller. Generally the SP12 would be a little more sensitive and tuned in for higher quality surf vs the DFR
how does the dfr hold up in bigger surf? solid 6 foot? looking for a shortboard to compliment my small wave shortie
I have a rookie 5Â´11 x 18 1/4 x 2 1/8 that i love but i would like to try a dfr. which dimensions do you recomend me so i can keep a similar volume (24.1 l)? A 5Â´11 x 18 3/8 x 2 1/8 or 2 3/16? Thanks.
Cezar, the DFR is a full-bodied performance board, stock dims at 24L are:
DFR 59 x 18 1/4 x 2 3/16 24.0
DFR 59 x 18 1/2 x 2 3/16 24.3
So you could ride a much smaller board and keep the same paddle power.
Thanks for the reply. But i dont wanna go so short on my next board. Thats why i asked about what thickness should i order on a 5’11. Can you tell me if the dfr got fuller rails than the rookie. Thanks.
Apologies Cezar, understand now – The DFR has approx the same rail, but a slightly wider nose and tail. You could likely order the same dims and get a few tenths more volume.
Hey I was wondering if this is an all a rounder that I could use in some mush and barrels. Live in va beach and go to hatteras a lot. Im riding a 5’6 box tail with medium single and flip out the tail. What dims would you suggest?
Yes the DFR makes for a good all rounder.
Check here for your dims based off your weigth and ability
I looked on your suggested boards for my weight and experience and it recommended a 5’10 DFR to me. Im about 5’8-5’9 and don’t currently have anything over 5’7 in my quiver. Just wondering if this recommendation would work for me. Thanks for the time I appreciate it
Noah if you are 88 lbs (40kg) then our selector does not work for you, apologies.
I saw earlier you also wrote you are 5’0″ – use the same dims we told you for your Rookie, but go 1″ shorter and 1/4 wider. so 5â€™4, 17 1/4, 2 Rookie to 5’3″ 17 1/2 x 2 DFR
Hey, I’m a tall and skinny dude around 6’2″ and 150-155 pounds. I’m custom ordering this board (which looks really sick btw) and my skill levels intermediate-expert but I’m wondering what type of dimensions I should get? Thanks a lot.
Because you are outside the “average”build, normal to you see yourself custom ordering. With your height, you have a little more leverage as your center of gravity is higher from the board, this can change as some guys tend to surf “lower” or stand more upright. Don’t be scared to order a standard short board shorter than your height at times, just order a little wider to compensate for your height. You may wan to ask for the tail to be foiled out as well.
Start at 6’0″ x 18 3/4 (+) x 2 1/4
I’m 158 lbs, never said I was 88 haha. Your post just confused me but that’s all good. Are you sure you don’t have me confused with someone else? In case of some technical difficulties or something I was just wondering whether or not to ride a 5’10 DFR because I currently don’t ride anything over 5’8. I’m 5’8 to 5’9, probably considered advanced surfer
Yes there is another Noah on here that often writes in who is 11 yrs old. Apologies.
If you prefer a shorter board, then stock dimensions may not suit your tastes as much.
Just order custom a couple inches shorter. Best way is to order the same dims if you have a magic board at them moment.
I am 156 lbs and 5’8 to 5’9 feet tall. I used the board selector you gave me based off skill and weight and it told me to ride a 5’9 DFR. Just wondering if this is correct as I currently ride mostly shorter boards. Is this the right thing. What dims would CI suggest for me? Just making sure I get the right board before I drop the money on it. Thanks for the time and help
Hi, I am 6’0 and 145lbs and am debating between a rubble and the dfr for surfing in LA and Ventura. If you had to choose one board for this area and based on my size what would you recommend? I have been surfing for 15 years or so. Thanks!
Go DFR, around 24 to 25L +.
If you go stock size will be about 5’10 to 5’11.
It has a slightly more pulled tail than the Rubble which could suit those beachies like Zuma and Oxnard, but a full rail so you can paddle the points….
Need to bridge the gap between my 5â€™9â€ fish and a 6â€™6â€ pin tail step up. Intermediate travelling surfer and would like something that will perform in waist to slightly overhead surf not just in perfect head-high indo but also in 3ft sloppy beach breaks. Am confused between DFR, Rubble and SP12 â€“ all in my same hight (6â€™1â€ and 80kg). Can you please point me to the most versatile option which you think would work best me? Thanks a lot!! Andy
That’s a pretty substantial gap, might need 2 boards!
DFR would be the most versatile of the 3, while the SP12 would be more towards the indo waves and the Rubble more towards the sloppy beachies.
check here for the best size http://cisurfboards.com/suggested_boards.php
I was wondering if you could recommend the right size DFR for me? 5’10” 180lbs experienced surfer, even though i’m a bit heavier than your average guy i’m quite light on my feet. Usually ride 2 3/8 but I have a BAT thats 5’10 2 1/4 that works well when the waves get overhead but obviously the DFR is made for diff conditions. Thanks!
Here is the link for you
expert 180 = 60 x 19 x 2 3/8 =28.3L
You might want to also consider a custom DFR at 5’11” 19 1/4 x 2 1/4
Any feedback on the DFR with a swallow tail? Looking to mix the quiver up a bit.
looking for a summer board to surf whatever is too small for my Dumpster Diver 5,6. I also have a Semi pro 6,3 for overhead days.
What would you suggest between a Sperm whale 5,5 or Fishcuit 5,2?
I’m advanced, 6ft x 1,57 pounds.
thanks you in advanced
Both very good choices for your size.
Both set up as quads with flat rockers will allow for fast grovel boards in small surf.
The Fishcuit will feel more skatey and on top of the water due to the full rail, and be more forgiving.
The SWhale will feel more connected and be able to push a little harder. Not quite as easy to surf at knee hi as the fishcuit but will still catch any size wave.
The choice is yours.
thanks for posting – CI
I had a fishcuit in the past, 5,10 way too big for me, but it’s definitely a great board, i’m anxious to test a proper size for me.
I am 6’0 , 200lbs and an intermediate level surfer (also goofy foot). I currently ride a 6’0, 20 1/4, 2 5/8 Dumpster Driver, which holds up great on most days locally in New Jersey.
I am looking for a board to bridge the gap on days when the surf gets larger (overhead), but would still like to be able to use it a decent amount regardless.
I am currently looking at the DFR and the SP12. Wanted to see your thoughts on what might be more appropriate, and also for a little guidance on dims.
Have you tried this link? http://cisurfboards.com/suggested_boards.php
The tool suggests DFR at 63 x 19 1/2 x 2 9/16 (32.6L)
The DFR would have a broader low end range but still work for you in cieling high surf.
Hi, I was just curious if you think I’d be better off with a DFR or a Fred Rubble. I’m a fairly new but proficient surfer and currently have a 5’6″ fish and 8’6 longboard. I’m looking for something that I’ll be able to progress with and get better at doing everything from snaps to big cut backs to possibly learning to air at some point. so possibly a board thats a little forgiving might be better. I’m 5’10 and about 130-135lbs and want to use it on waist to head high so cal waves (usually malibu to ventura)
hard to say as it will boil down to personal preference on the feel of the board under your feet as they both perform in the same wave types.
Start with the Rubble as it has a slightly thinner rail which may work better for 135lbs and wider tail for waist to head high surf.
Awesome thanks so much! would dim would you recommend?
If you check this link to our online board selector / volume tool, that will point you in the right direction.
Which one have more rocker sp12 or dfr. is dfr have same rocker than proton?
The DFR has more overall rocker than the SP12. Mainly in the tail.
The SP12 has curve similar to the Proton in that it is continuous rocker through the entire board, but much less than the Proton.
The DFR is straighter in the center but with heavy tail and nose rocker.
Ok yhanks can you tell me the volume of a proton 6’0 x 18 5/8 x 2 1/4?
Sorry i meant drf
I’m 5″5 and my wight is 154 lbs my black flag whip is 5″9 18 3/4 2 1/4
How diffrent is the DFR from what im riding ?
How tall should i ride the DFR ?
Is the round fin fred or the sp12 going to be better for me in 2-3 fit waves ?
I’m an advenced surfer
Use this link to get an idea of the best volumes for your weight.
Being as you are heavier than average for your height we suggest considering a custom. Your DFR should be around 5’7″ to 5’8″ x 18 3/4 x 2 5/16.
Your DFR will have more rocker than the Whip and want to surf more vertical.
I am deciding on picking up a new board, and I have narrowed it down between the fred rubble and the dfr. I notice that both have around the same volume, so floatation wont be an issue between the two, but I am still unsure on how each rides. I am looking for a good all rounder board, but I want it to be able to handle itself in bigger surf too. What I am asking is, what are the main differences between the two and which would be better as a go to board for any condition?
They are the same volume. At the same dimensions, the Rubble will have a wider nose and tail, while the DFR has slightly fuller rails.
The DFR will have a slightly bigger wave height range. The Rubble will grovel a little better due to the width.
Hi, can you please tell me the nose and tail widths of the 6’3″ and 6’4″ DFR for the stock board and the one Sunny rode.
Bob, direct from CAD
DFR 6.3 19.5 2.5625
-Nose : 11.83
DFR1 6.4.5 19.75 2.625
Sunny’s N:11 5/8 and T:14 1/2
I am 5’8 130 lbs and live in SoCal and surf every day. Would the dfr suit everyday SoCal conditions? If so, what size should I get.
A DFR is designed for conditions you would find on many Socal days. But given how flat it gets you may want a small wave machine like a Neckbeard for those waist high days.
Use this link to find your best size DFR http://cisurfboards.com/suggested_boards.php
Recently I bought from a Guy a rounded pin DFR
He played with the measurements 5″10-19-2 5/16
How can i know the volume of the board ?
Is rounded pin recommended for the DFR ?
The glassing is S How is it affects the board ?
DFR 5.10 19.0 2.3125 – 26.7L
Round Pin will work well on this board.
S-Cloth contains more quartz than E-cloth, so it has a higher strength to weight ratio.
Sounds like you found a very good custom.
Hey guys, just wondering if you received my questions sent 2 days ago? Thanks!
Where did you send it? Tom our info mail or post on here?
I posted here! I guess somehow it got lost despite when I tried reposting it said I was repeting the post. Anyhow, it went something like this:
– 38 y.o. intermediate to expert surfer living in Portugal, surfing since early teens;
– daily surfs in usually good waves (it still dazzles me how you can surf here 350 days per year in quality surf);
– currently riding a 6´0´´ FR stock measures since March, and absolutely loving it (it´s like 2 or more boards in one!);
– also have a 5´8´´ Pod for when it gets mushy and too small, and a local 6´4´´step up for over 6 feet and barreling;
My problem is that despite loving the FR, there are those days when it does not feel quite right but it´s not quite calling for the step up, you know? I usually surf 2-6 feet, but very different waves from one day to the next! The FR is really great, but when it gets a little bit hollower and it calls for either more barrels or more vertical surf, sometimes I feel that this board is not really cutting it, you know? It´s not a matter of board size, it´s how the board responds in those conditions. I am talking about hollower, more powerful waves, be it reefs, points or heavy beachies. To solve this I was thinking of getting a standard measures 6´0´´ DFR, as I would like to have a similar board in flotation and dimensions (so it would not feel akward for the first 3 or 4 waves) and don´t want a bigger board, but a lot more responsive and holding it better in a little heavier conditions than the Rubble? Do you think the DFR would fill the gap? The Rubble would still be the daily board, no doubt, but I just need a plan B in the truck for “those days” that don´t call for a 6´4´´ (which feels huge actually and I almost only ride at Supertubos), you know? I was thinking of having the Rubble for average conditions in fatter beachies and points, and the DFR for barreling beachies and points, and also for the great reefs we have here. Please let me know if I am thinking correctly, and sorry for the huge post!
You are thinking along the right lines.
A 6’0″ DFR will feel a little more “drivey” and less nervous in power than the FR.
Mostly due to the reduced nose and tail widths.
To complicate things further you could also look at a 6’1″ Semi Pro 12…. but because the FR is working well for you, best best would be to get a DFR.
thanks for riding the boards!
Well, now you got me with that one! Does the semi pro only come with round pin?
Please note that I am kind of front footed (grew up surfing a shitty beach break: pump pump pump, closeout!), does it fit a front footed well?
If you have the time please google up these spots so you can see the kind of wave I want the board for: coxos, pedra branca, supertubos, carcavelos.
Thanks in advance!!!
Jose sorry for the delay.
The SP12 does come in squash, and does work will for a front footed (driving with the fron turning with the back) surfer
Cheers – CI
I’m ready to make the jump from a 48″ Beater to a DFR.
And I want to buy a 5’10 DFR. Tell me please
what measurements will be at nose and tail of a 5’10 DFR.
nose (at 12″):
tail (at 12″):
A standard DFR at: 5.10 18.625 2.25
Nose: 11.860” (11 7/8”)
Tail: 14.302” (14 5/16”)
Cheers – CI
What is the tail and nose width for a 6’0 x 19 x 2 3/8 DFR?
I currently have a 5’6 Werido Ripper and am looking to get a HPSB. Don’t want something too similar to the Weirdo, so I’ve been looking at this, the Fred Rubble, and now the new T-Low. Will be using the board in waves mostly in the 4-6 foot range, as my WR handles anything below that. Which board do you recommend? Will the DFR be much more difficult to catch waves on?
Also what dims? I’m 5’10.5 and 150 lbs
Thanks a lot!
Sorry for the lag in getting to your question.
For your best sizing go to http://cisurfboards.com/suggested_boards.php
to find a good volume for you. Try to maintain the same volume (26L) if you like the paddling / float on the Weirdo.
The best paddler of the 3 shorties will be the T-Low due to the lower entry, the Rubble will grovel the best and the DFR will surf the pocket the tightest…
I’m 14 years old around 5’3 105 pounds I’m lookin to either get a proton or a dfr I’m wanting to get about a 5’5 17 5/8 2′ which board do you prefer I should custom order
I’m lookin to get either a proton or a DFR which do you prefer I wanting like a 5’5 or 5’6 maybe 17 5/8 by 2′
Get a Proton if you live in a place where the waves are always hollow, if not then go DFR!
Almost got a DFR last week and now this T Low has me thinking! I’m 170, intermediate, had a stock 6’0 rubble that was perfect so was looking at 6’0 for the DFR as well….for beachies on good days.
Question is, could i go to 5’11 for the t low? I dot usually go under 28 litres but it’s meant to be a good paddler. There is a big volume jump from the 5’11 to the 6’0….. Or maybe go custom? 5’11 x 19 1/8 x 2 3/8 say?
You can go 5’11” Nick, there is enough volume.
As the t-Low is designed to be a good all-rounder, riding it the same length (6’0″) as you are tall is fine too, the rail is thinned out so the 29L should not feel boaty and you might catch a couple extra waves on those crowded days.
Talk to me.
Want a DFR. 5″11 tall. Currently ride FR 24.5L. Feel really comfortable with this volume.
Wouldn’t mind increasing it to 25.5 or so. I want my DFR 5″11 with about 25.5L.
I don’t have time to work out what dimensions would give me about 25.5L with a 5″11 DFR. I’m too busy selling used cars.
Talk to me.
Yea Terry sell a couple more today and order one of these!
DFR 5.11 18.375 2.25 – 25.5L
DFR 5.11 18.75 2.1875 – 25.3L
DFR 5.11 18.875 2.1875 – 25.5L
i currently have a Fred rubble in 5’9 18 5/8 2 3 /16 ( Vol 24,5l) and it’s perfect for me!
I would like a DFR in 5’10 but i don’t know the dimensions for to have approximatively the same volume that my FR
Can you help me?!
the stock DFR at 5’10” is the same width, 1/16″ thicker and a full liter more volume. (25.6L)
We can run the volume for a DFR in 5’10 18 5/8 2 3 /16 and 5’10 18 5/8 2 1/8
Will post these volumes for you this afternoon to see how close they are to 24.5L
Here ya go Rom
DFR 5.10 18.625 2.1875 – 24.8L
DFR 5.10 18.625 2.125 – 24.1L
Hi, I’m 6’2, 42 years old, 210 lbs. Somewhere on the crappy end of intermediate. I’ve found that boards with a volume around 40L and with the wide point moved forward for driving off the front foot seem to work best for me right now… am thinking about getting a DFR or Fred Rubble for chest-overhead surf. I’m in SoCal, mainly go to El Porto, Venice or County Line. What board would you recommend and with what dims? Thanks.
What volumes would these DFR’s have?
6″0 x 18 3/8 x 2 1/4
6″0 x 18 1/2 x 2 1/4
5″11.5 (five eleven and half an inch) x 18 x 3/8 x 2 1/4
5″11.5 (five eleven and half an inch) x 18 x 1/2 x 2 1/4
DFR 6.0 18.375 2.25 – 25.9L
DFR 6.0 18.5 2.25 – 26.0L
RUBBLE 5.11.5 18.375 2.25 – 25.8L
RUBBLE 5.11.5 18.5 2.25 – 26.0L
Hey could I get those last two dimensions for the DFR, not the RUBBLE. Cheers
Terry sorry for the delay
DFR1 5.11.375 18.5 2.25 – 25.7L
DFR1 5.11.5 18.5 2.25 – 25.9L
CI….going to indo and currently ride a 5’9 x 18 1/2 x 2 3/16 Fred. Love the feel of this board and was thinking of a Fred step up (rp) same dims just in a 6’1. I’ve surfed for thirty years and weigh 140 pds and want the foregiving feel the Fred gives yet still with performance. Will this board be suitable in good head height+ waves before I get my 6’4 out.
Yes, you nailed it. All your assumptions for building a 6’1″ step-up are correct.
Is the DFR a forgiven board? I ride a 5’11” FR and love it.
I’m looking for second board for steeper and faster waves and was thinking in getting a DFR 5’11”.
I like speed! Is DFR a harder to speed board than FR?
The DFR carries the same volume as a same size Fred, but narrower nose and tail. Good choice for “steeper and faster”
Board is designed for vertical surfing, but can go fast, but maybe not as easily fast as a very flat board – but team all indicates board is fast enough.
Should I get a DFR 5’10” or 5’11″?
Intermediate/advanced surfer, 160lbs, 5’8″.
Current have a FR 5’11” fells good, but sometimes bit too big.
Your board selector tells me either 5’10 or 5’11.
Should one try to keep the same volume in all its boards?
Would it fell weird to ride less volume?
If the board is feeling too long at 5’11” then go 5’10”
If you feel like the board is not paddling then go slightly thicker.
I am going to be custom ordering a DFR. What would you recommend for an advanced surfer at 5’4 125-130 lbs? Thanks.
Have you tried this link, great for a starting point. Designed for most common builds.
DFR 5′”6 x 18 1/4 x 2 1/16 = 21.7L
Looks just about right for your height and weight.
hey guys, Im ordering a board and was hoping to get the volume of a DFR 5’10” x 19 1/8 x 2 1/2. Looking for something other than my Fred, to mix it up I currently have a Fred at 5’10” 19 1/8 x2 7 /16 and I like it in good waves.
Forgot to mention they will both be eps epoxy glass if that makes a difference in the volume. Thanks!
Can you please tell the volume for a dfr 5’7 x 18 3/8 x 2 1/8.
hey guys , i have a proton 63 x 19 1/8 x 2 3/8 and i would like to go on a DFR 61 x 19 1/8 x 2 7/16 , is it a good choice ?
i’am 6,3 tall and 187lbs . i surf most of times reef waves . cheers
a little short for your height and weight. But if its good waves you shoud be ok.
Hi, I am around 45-50 kg, and 5’5 tall, wondering what size DFR I should be looking at?
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